Curse

Snowman · Sep 27, 2005, 02:52 AM // 02:52

Its got to be the best skill in the game.. I love it

Skills are for the most part balanced.. elite skills are not so balanced (or at least they should be).. that’s why they are elite.

In order to determine something’s balance you compare the effects it gives you and its costs to that of similar skills, which give similar effects and compare their costs also.

so compare some of IWAY's effects.. Assume you have paid any cost to activate the skill this is so you can focus on comparing the effects...

33% attack rate for 10 seconds at least.

Frenzy and flurry both increase your attack speed, but both at considerable costs, take double damage, or deal less damage... this is a big cost really.. anything which effects the damage you deal and the damage you take is an important balance.

now, Because IWAY goes on for at least 10 seconds its double the time! which translates to half the cost. (Flurry and frenzy have similar energy costs)

now, that alone is one reason why the 33% faster damage should make it elite.

The other reason is the next effect: ONTOP of that increased attack speed it also gives you health regeneration of 6+(assume attribute is 12) this is a huge boost of health which is likeable to having 'I will survive' in effect with at least 2 conditions on.

then you calculate in the new AoE it has (Amazing decision, I could kiss the guy who suggested this)

so all these abilities.. abilities of at least two other skills (frenzy and I will survive to name but a few these are likeable to) comes at just 5 energy and one dead 'ally'..

you may think that one dead ally is quite a big cost!.. and it is.. but we all know one of the secrets to winning PVP is for nearly everyone to hold a res signet, dying is a common occurrence in the stretch of any battle, short or long.. its what PVP is all about!

Its other cost is that of recharge, 30 seconds.. which is just 3 dead allys and your set to go again... making a huge difference in 4v4 if your the last man standing, huge in 8v8 because more chance of dead allys boosting these effects sky high with the use of pets... then couple it with frenzy, yes the 33% attack speed stacks because IWAY is not a stance!

These skills that have such low cost and such great potential defiantly should award it Elite status.... and I'll bet you my last snowball it will be an elite in the new 'Skill Balances' announced on today’s (my god is it that time) Official Guildwars site.

KuTeBaka · Sep 27, 2005, 03:02 AM // 03:02

um, having people dead is a huge condition, well of profane and suffering need a body and do very well and they are not elite are they? The people must be dead at the activation of Iway, anything else doesnt matter.

Dragkon · Sep 27, 2005, 01:19 PM // 13:19

That would be a significant reply, if well of profane did both damage and regen...but it doesn't? But to use your example as a point... The well that does two things, energy regen, and health regen...is an elite.

Snowman · Sep 27, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

First, well of profane is a skill from a different profession! so cant really be compared when determining if a skill from the warrior profession is elite or not.

Second, An elite skill is NOT, as I highlighted, about skills which produce more than one effect!.. its about comparing the COST to the effect(s) against the COST and the effects of similar skills within that proffesion.

So well of profane is a very bad example to compare because its effects and cost are so radically different...

Well of Profane says 'exploit nearest corpse'... not dead ally!.. huge difference.

COSTS.... 25 energy!... how many warriors have 25 energy?.. well I do because I use chimeric prism, but to completley deplete my energy is a HUGE cost.. even for a necro 25 energy is a massiv amount... hell 25 energy for ANYONE is often too much.. this is well documented.

Then you have a 3 second casting time.. making it very easy to interrupt.. IWAY Activates instantly. anything that takes more than a second to anyone means they have to carefully consider... during battle... when to use it. again, this is a cost, a high one, an un-acceptable one for a warrior.

Well of Profane will go on for a MAXIMUM of 18 seconds... IWAY has a maximum of what?... 7 dead allys and 8 dead pets, potentially?.. so can go up to 150 seconds, 8x longer!!, I know thats not lightly to happen, but this isnt the point.. the point is your comparing what they are capable of...

Then compare the effects that both skills give... well, Profane doesnt have any effects which are identical to IWAY at all.... so even if you can compare the costs of IWAY and profane, you cant compare their effects at all.

CKaz · Sep 27, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38

this one count friendly dead minions? (I'm guessing not)

Dandelo · Sep 28, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

You say that it's all about "comparing the COST to the effect(s) against the COST and the effects of similar skills within that proffesion."

The way i'm seein it is that you're comparing a shout under strength (IWAY) to a stance(berzerker) and to one that has no attribute at all(Frenzy)(Flurry)... so you can't really say that you're comparing "like" skills when they have completely diff. attributes all together

honestly it's useless arguing over something as trivial as this, it's merely someone being smart and exploiting something that anet has over looked or hasn't thoroughly torn apart to consider all of the aspects it could be used in. honestly, this type of stuff is what online gaming is all about... trying to exploit diff. things and using them to your advantage. if anyone here has ever played utopia you know what i'm talkin about :-)

Hired Blade · Apr 06, 2006, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Just wanted to say you can get this skill at the Ascalon Settlement.

Kwisatz_Haderach · Apr 06, 2006, 08:54 PM // 20:54

lol after all this time noone got around to posting on probally the most famous warrior skill in the game

Therran Cloudhart · May 06, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

its a nice panic button when your allies fall around you

Dahl · May 06, 2006, 06:35 AM // 06:35

iway has such a bad name in tombs...

But really, it's an amazing skill. Back in the spring last year I was in Kryta and my whole team got completely wrecked, and I solod 14 undead with IWAY and then res'd my team. It was sweet.

***note: I do not IWAY in tombs

lol***